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Absentia Lunae – Vorwarts

This is black metal that has stayed away from the gay screeching, so I was more receptive.  If you get the album, listen to “Rapace Planare” first.  The song goes through some interesting changes toward the end, foreshadowed by heavy phaser on the guitar.  Suddenly you will hear crooning.  These clean vocals fit perfectly and are pleasingly sung with a dark quality.  

Yes, this album has black metal traits, like dissonant chords, but it’s a dynamic offering with some heavier elements that are not common in that style.  

Notre Dame interview with Snowy Shaw

interview with Snowy Shaw conducted by Bill Zebub for issue #27 of THE GRIMOIRE OF EXALTED DEEDS Magazine


I prefer a personality interview as well as a musical interview, unless you prefer a totally insulting interview.

Why do you choose to go that way?  I mean, to insult people – is that to make it fun for the readers or something?


It’s fun for the whole world. 

So people that you don’t like or don’t respect – you just give them a hard time.


I pretty much give everyone a hard time, and people like George Corspegrinder from Cannibal Corpse have a lot of fun being assholes back to me.  Let’s begin.   Mickey Dee badmouthed King Diamond in interviews and stuff like that.   I was at a Motorhead show and I was wearing a Mercyful Fate shirt, and he said “Why are you wearing that?  That band sucks!”  He wasn’t even in that band.  And this was apparently after King Diamond had a talk with him and asked him why he said things like that.  He’s still an asshole.  I don’t know why he has problems with King Diamond, but I was talking to King and he said that in the press he saw that you felt constricted in the band.

That I did or that Mickey did?


That you did.  I know that if you say something negative it wouldn’t be as an insult.  I know that you would have a reason for saying something that sounds negative.  The press might make it seem nasty.

Yeah, I realize that it’s stupid to say anything negative because nobody believes me.  If it’s a question about “Ok, is it a drum machine on The Eye?” or something – I mean, that is kind of a stupid question…


That is one of my questions.

The thing is, it was my decision to use that kind of drum patterns and stuff like that, but nobody would believe me.  Yeah, I’m the one who brought it up, and if I didn’t say anything, nobody would know about it.  Nobody believes me.  They believe King instead, of course.  But I have nothing against King. 


The question was more “what was the problem?”  He said that you were doing all these crazy things and you said “I’m going to do everything I ever learned as a drummer” and that he was holding you back.  Like, every time there was a change in a song you would have massive drum rolls.  They were good, he said, but it just made the music a bit more complex than it needed to be.

When I joined the band, he wanted… OK, Mickey Dee was good.  It’s fine to have a drummer that could be like a puppet.  You can have control over this guy.  Maybe King all the time wanted not that kind of complicated drumming and strange drum arrangements.  I know Mickey told me that King told him “Stop playing that!  You’re ruining my songs!”  But back then they were a band and Mickey Dee would say “Fuck You!  I play the way I want to!”  But when I joined the band I didn’t have that kind of position of course.  So I just had to do what he told me.  We kind of compromised and arranged things together and so on.  I don’t know what it was, but I felt I want to do what I want to do.  It’s not like I want to be a modern drummer and that is my major goal.  I want to play good drums.  Sometimes I thought some of his ideas, or arrangements,  was kind of simple and standard and stupid or something… (laughs)


When you left, were you thrown out or did you voluntarily leave?

Yeah, I left the band.  “Ok, now it’s a European tour coming up.  Oh no!  I quit.”  Kind of strange, but that’s the way it was.  It’s like putting a lid on a volcano.  It’s a stupid expression maybe, but I needed to express myself musically.  I wasn’t satisfied with just being a drummer and playing (ed. – Snowy makes sounds imitating a drum beat).  It didn’t give me that much so I needed to quit and try to write my own music and start my own band. 

Snowy Shaw
Snowy Shaw

It’s very important for me to clarify right now that you’re not saying anything in a nasty tone.  Some magazines are irresponsible and they don’t mention that.  They try to make it look like you’re trying to start a fight.  Notre Dame does not have showy drums – like you’re showing off.  It seemed like that was the argument in King Diamond.  Do you agree?

He comes up with some stuff and it’s basically my arrangements, but when I wrote some songs myself I tend to arrange the drums so it’s pretty simple just because the song itself should be in focus instead of different musicians showing off what they can do.  It’s quite the same for thing for King.  I think I play better drums if I don’t like the band, because then I just want to have fun playing drums. 


Your accent sounds more Danish than Swedish.

Nobody told me that before.  Maybe I have a sore throat or something because they sound a bit like they’re supposed to throw up when they’re talking. 


Maybe that’s the reason.  So what do you have to say about the production of the drums?  I thought that you would be over-produced based on what I’ve heard about you.  But it’s a mild production.

The overall production – I don’t really like it because we have kind of a limited budget.  We have to go mix in a friend’s place or something. Next time around it will be a lot better because we’re working with this friend and he’s a real producer.  The drums sounded quite bad the last couple of albums.


That helped me understand the elusive personality of Snowy Shaw a little bit.  I heard that you like American Indians.

Yeah.  I was really into that some years ago.  I was into reading about the Midwest Indians.


Any particular reason?

I don’t know.  I mean, for various reasons I guess because they were very cool and proud and they had a great history.  It was magical and mystical.  I thought it was very cool.  But I kind of left that, and since I’m working with Notre Dame I’m watching horror movies and being more into eerie and stupid horror comics.


So you were never part of any drum circle?

Indian drum circle?  I never had the opportunity, but maybe in the future.


You don’t prefer to play drums with your hands.

With my dick.


The first time I heard Notre Dame I didn’t know you were in the band.  It was on the Mercyful Fate tribute on Listenable Records.  It was Into the Coven.  The very next time I heard your band it was on this latest album Coming Soon To A Theatre Near You.

Second one.


That’s the second one?

No, the new album is a re-issue – the Second Coming.  It was four and a half songs originally, but now it’s like eleven.  We added a bunch of bonus tracks from the same time – the same recording sessions and so on.  We fucked it up totally.  I think it was better the first time.  It’s better as a mini album because you tend to get tired after six songs – not when you record them but if you listen to them.  You’re pretty much satisfied when you’ve heard seven songs. 


I’m sure Osmose will love to hear the way you’re talking about the album. 

Yeah, but what’s done is done.  I just wanted to… because of the lousy distribution… I’m sorry… I’m burping here from drinking Coca Colas.  But anyway, we just wanted to give a second chance because the distribution wasn’t working that good and maybe Osmose distribution isn’t working that good either, but it’s much better anyway.  But they wanted to add a bunch of bonus tracks, and I looked into some old material that’s never been mixed and so I recorded some vocals and some guitar on some songs.  We made it like a totally new album instead of just a re-issue.


So the vampire theme is going to be common to your next album as well?

No, not really.  I mean, the character Vampirella – she’s still in the band.  Maybe we kind of focused on that for some time, but it’s basically just shock shock rock and horror metal.  I grew up with KISS and Alice Cooper.  I was really influenced by those kinds of shows and the kind of image that Alice Cooper had.  I think this is my interpretation for the new generation.  It’s not just about vampires.  I grew up reading all those horror comics.  So this is just the logical development. 


Back to the old days when Mercyful Fate reformed – there was an American tour.  Did you have any problems playing drums for the song Satan’s Fall?

No, absolutely not.  That is my favorite song.  Maybe there was a show where I fucked it up.


No, there was a lot of Snowy in that performance rather than Kim Ruzz. 

Yeah.  I really like that song so I couldn’t keep relaxed.  I just went berserk.  Maybe I fucked it up.


Is it easy to fuck up in that song?

Yeah, maybe it is because when we played this big festival in Copenhagen that is the only time I fucked it up.  There are so many changes in the song and I was so excited and everything so maybe I forgot something because I was waiting for the last part which is the coolest.  So maybe I skipped a few parts of that song.  That song is so fantastically evil.  When I was a kid I listened to it and I thought “this is too much!  This is really scary!”


Did you ever imagine that you would be playing with King Diamond?

No, not really.  I didn’t realize they were from Denmark when I was 14 or something.  I didn’t see that coming.  But after a couple of years Mickey Dee and Andy Laroque joined the band, and all of a sudden we had some kind of relation to them. It wasn’t that far-fetched to actually join the band after a couple of years because they had close relations to Gothenburg musicians. 


For the band Notre Dame what is the reason for the choice of black metal vocals trading off with sort of like the theatre style vocals?

Maybe I was into that somehow.  They’re the same kind of songs that I wrote for Memento Mori.  It’s just that we don’t play the drums that slow.  (ed – makes drum noises)  It would be boring to play it that slow.  So instead we speed it up and play the fastest part possible – all these kinds of patterns.  But when it comes to vocals maybe it’s that I can’t sing that powerful so I’m just trying the best I can.  I’m also into Metal Church and Nazareth and Udo,..  Accept and stuff like that.  I don’t know if it’s black metal vocals.  It’s just really distorted vocals I guess.


The first track on this second edition, The Bells of Notre Dame, reminded me of Immortal, and then I took a look at the cover and you have the diamond-shaped corpsepaint around your eyes just like the singer.  So I was wondering if you have any admiration for Immortal or if that was just a coincidence. 

I never listened much to them, but they look cool (laughs), especially this Battles of the North album.  But this is just some kind of coincidence because I didn’t use that kind of make-up for a long time.  I think he has much bigger diamonds than I do.  It covers pretty much his whole face.  Most of the time I just have some mascara and I look more like…


A girl.

No, not like a girl.  But it was more like a raccoon.  This was the only time when I was like, “this looks kind of theatrical,” like pantomime, or scary in some kind of circus way.  I did not think of Immortal when I did that. 


I’ve seen the movie The Decline of Western Civilization, and I saw it because I thought it was going to be about metal but it was about posers.  And there was this one poser in there who was talking like an absolute faggot…

And his name was?


I don’t know his name.  Half of his hair was blonde (Snowy laughs) and half of his hair was black, and I also noticed that in the Notre Dame pictures half of your hair is blonde and half of your hair is black.   So I was wondering if you know the poser from that movie.

No, I don’t.  But I heard that the singer from Madam X dyed his hair black and white.  I was thinking more of Carella Deville (spelling?) the Disney character.  You know, I’m blonde, so that isn’t very evil.  So should I dye my hair black?  No.  That’s boring.  So let’s do it halfway as a compromise.


So it’s not a symbol for bisexuals?

No.  I can do that and still go around buying groceries. I don’t give a fuck.  It was just a thing.  After that I shaved off my hair completely.  But now it’s growing back and I look like…



A German look, or something.  This was a long time ago. 


A long time ago I interviewed Candlemass and the lead guitar player told me that he found your drum configuration very strange.



Yeah. On your rolls, what you do is each hand goes down your sides instead of going in front of you.  Do you know what I’m talking about?

No, not really. 


Was he just imagining things?

I don’t know.  I mean, I only have one rack tom and I have two floor drums.


One on each side?

Yeah, actually when I bought this Ludwig I had four floor toms so I can have two on each side, but it’s just a poser thing because I can’t play on my left side.  I did it with Mercyful Fate to look cool, but it’s OK with just one rack tom and one floor tom.  I’ve been playing drums for so long, and I don’t think about drums very much nowadays.  It’s not like I’m, “OK, check out that new drummer from this band!.”  I just play the way I play.  I don’t think that much about it.  Maybe some people find it strange.  I’ve been out playing festivals with this power metal band now called Dream Evil, and people seem to like the way I play.  People say, “Oh, you’re my favorite drummer!” and so on.  I don’t really know what’s the big deal.  I’m just playing straight bullshit.  I can’t really see what’s so special. 


But at one time were you obsessed about learning drums?

Yeah, I was, when I was still a teen-ager.  Now my goal is elsewhere, like to sing better and write the best possible songs I can do.  It’s not like I’m practicing drums very much these days.


Is Notre Dame a project or a band?

I guess it’s both.  For me it’s a good forum, or something, where I can write my kind of music. We’re starting to do shows now.  We had to turn down some offers from big festivals in Europe this summer.  So we will be starting with the King Diamond manager taking care of the whole business because I don’t know how to handle that stuff.  I can’t negotiate with foreign promoters and stuff like that.  But for some time now it’s been like a project – a recording project pretty much.  Have you seen our video?


No.  Is it available N.T.S.C.?

I don’t think so.  I don’t think that Osmose have done what they should do. 


They have been doing a lot because they believe in the Grimoire.  A lot of Europeans don’t see the value of advertising in America.  They don’t believe that the American market is worth it.

Yeah, it’s so bad because I don’t think that our albums are even released in America.


Yeah, it’s hard to find.  But if anyone here wants to get an Osmose album it’s pretty easy to get  There are enough metal merchants. But you have to be a real undergrounder.  A lot of people in America are very lazy about their music unless they’re enthusiasts.

Yeah, but people are that way everywhere.  You go to record stores – what you see on the shelf is what you buy.  It’s not like you’re running around to five different stores trying to find something.  I wouldn’t do that nowadays.  Maybe when I was 15, but not now.  It’s a shame.  You’ve got to just feed the people. 


If you want to succeed.

It’s not like I want to make a lot of money.  I would be an idiot if I did with this kind of music.  Maybe I am an idiot.  We spend so much time doing this stuff that we want people to at least be able to find it if they want to, and to reach out to as many people as possible.


Maybe this interview has helped.

Yeah, hopefully.


The song “Daughter of Darkness” – was the piano in the beginning taken from Beethoven?

Vampirella said, “Listen to this song!  You stole that part!” 


It’s not exact.  It just sounds like it’s based on a Beethoven song.

Yeah, it’s Moonlight Sonata, or something.  I never sit down and “OK, I should steal this”.  I’ve always had some kind of obsession with the Halloween theme – that’s where it’s coming from.  I always have that kind of sound in the back of my mind.  When I’m writing, maybe it sounds familiar, but I don’t know what it is.  About Beethoven I really liked that song when I heard it.  When I wrote that track it didn’t even cross my mind that it reminded me of something, but a year after we released that CD. I went to a record store and bought a vinyl album of Pahntom of the Opera, and I put it on, and then I heard it (the opening of Bells of Notre Dame).  It’s, like, unconscious.  I pick it up somewhere but without knowing it.


The titles of your songs are like B movies, like “Dracula Sucks”.

Yeah, I borrowed it from some B movie.  It was such a cool title. 


It’s so funny when an originator is not original.  There’s also “The Misconception of the French Kiss”.  I get a feeling of French theatre.  Is that how you got signed to Osmose, which is in France?

I don’t know, but somehow with different projects you get different visions, and like, I was really into Indians like I was talking about, and I wrote Indian music.  No, not really, but anyway, this French kind of style – I think it’s a bit elegant and just the kind of image that you get from watching movies.  Ok, I went to the ballet and drink wine.  The French theatre pretty much inspired me to write this music.


Speaking of Indians, do you know what the sitar is?

Yeah, but that’s the real Indians from India.


Actually, the Cherokee Indians invented the sitar, and when the Indians from India found out that the native people of America were called Indians, they sent spies over to see why they would be called Indians because they wanted to be the only Indians on earth.

Yeah, but it’s hardly the American Indians’ fault. 


I know, but the Indians stumbled upon the Cherokee and stole the technology for the sitar and brought it back to India, and India made an agreement with the French government to kill any Cherokee with a sitar because they wanted to be known for that instrument on the planet earth.

Seriously?  That sounds so strange.  I never heard anything like that.


No, I’m just joking.  I want to know what you think about Kim Ruzz.  Was Kim Ruzz an originator?

Do you mean like he invented his own style?


He brought a unique interpretation into this style of music.

I don’t know.  I mean, Mercyful Fate – the whole band were pioneers.  You can very much hear Stained Class with Judas Priest in combination with Iron Maiden.  I guess they just picked up from what was going on around them. 


Sharlee D’Angelo said that one of the things that really set Kim Ruzz apart was that he wasn’t really a metal drummer, yet he played in metal.

Yeah, I really haven’t analyzed it since I was 15, or something.  But I don’t consider myself being a metal drummer either.  I’m more grown up with Sweet and KISS and Deep Purple and so on.  I’m more of a ‘70’s drummer.  I’m not that good at playing metal, really.


Do you agree that it’s harder to play slow, like at an extreme doom tempo?

Yeah, I guess you learn a certain way.  I play very hard on the drums and so does Mickey Dee, for example.  A lot of black metal drummers play so fucking fast but they don’t play that hard.  They don’t break any sticks and hardly any drumheads either.  If I want to play really fast, I’m not really used to that because I’m playing so hard and it takes so much energy from me, so I have take away some of the strength and play loose and just focus on the speed instead.  I was supposed to play with Candlemass and I thought, “OK, that’s so easy.”  You have to get used to that because you’re not supposed to play on the ride cymbal, for example (ed – Snowy makes drum noises)  I can’t express this. But you should play very few notes and still keep the beat.  There’s so much space in between the notes, if you know what I’m saying.  So it’s easy to fuck up that way.  If you play as fast as you can play there is not so much space that you can fuck up with.  I mean, every music has its difficulties.  Some people say that AC/DC is so boring.  But Phil is good at what he’s doing.  It’s complicated in different ways, I guess. 


You don’t seem to favor the off beat too much.

Offbeat?  What is that?  (laughs)


You’ve been called a technical drummer by some people, but you don’t really do jazz beats and stuff.

Like I said, I kind of developed my own – it sounds stupid maybe – but it’s pretty much my own style.  I’m not saying that I’m unique.  I don’t check out other drummers and steal their chops because I find no interest in that.  I’m just trying to play to the music that I’m playing in a tasteful way.  I inspired by from Dio or Black Sabbath and Sweet – those old guys – and I took it from there.  I don’t know if I’m technical or something. 


So what does the future hold for America?  Is there a Snowy Shaw tour?

Yeah, that would be great!  I haven’t been in America since ’95, and it really pisses me off that Osmose can’t get it out there.  With other bands that I’m in now, and this Dream Evil that’s power metal and very popular in Europe right now – but I guess it won’t sell too many records in America – so I doubt that we will be going on tour in America.  I would love to come back and see how things have changed.


I think that if more white people live in America that metal will come back.  But right now immigration favors the third world countries, and metal is a bit too complex for them.  They like rap.

I don’t like that kind of music. 


You call it music?

(laughs)  I was just trying to be polite. 


I talked to Tom Pasquale who is a writer for Meal Maniacs.  He also puts tours together, and he said that metal seems to be getting stronger here because there are now five big agencies that book metal tours, whereas before, everyone was at the mercy of this person called Finberg.  

Who was that?


He was a person who allegedly took advantage of metal’s lowpoint in America. 

I hear there’s a lot of black metal bands.  Isn’t black metal growing in America?  Marduk, I heard, frequently tour America.


Well you know more about this than I do, but I heard that black metal is dying in Europe, but America just started to follow that trend.

Yeah, pretty much.  I’m the wrong person to ask about stuff like that because I’m in my house and write my own music and live in my own world.  So I don’t pay attention to what’s trendy and what’s going on and what’s in fashion. I don’t care about stuff like that.


This interview was very merciful, wasn’t it?  Get it?  Mercyful Fate?

Very Mercyful Fate.


So no insults.  Are you surprised?

Yeah, pretty much. 


I’m making a movie called “Metalheads”.  So far Jensen from Séance, Ross from Immolation, and Agathon from Gloomy Grim have given me permission to use their music.

Yeah, you have permission to use Notre Dame.  I don’t know what I’m saying yes to here.  But of course, spread it around


It’s a comedy.  This is great.  I didn’t even have to negotiate with you.

So how did you negotiate with Jensen?  Did you do certain favors for him? (laughs)  You would love the Thrillogy movie that we’ve done.  It’s done in the 1920’s, like Nosferatu, style of movie.  It’s also the ‘60’s and ‘70’s cheesy style of horror movie.  I guess you would really like that kind of video. 



(editor’s note – there was more to this interview.  When I have archived more of the great articles from the printed mag i shall go back and include the bits that were left out (like the Anal Cunt interview).  These shorter edits were due to the web page limitations with the software i was using in the old days (the program was called “Frontage” and there was a page length limit)

SKUGGSJÁ – A Piece for Mind & Mirror

Upon getting this album, the first song that you should play is “VITKISPA” because it is the best, and it will ease you into the other tracks. 

Hearing this language and the mood is a bit different from listening to  what some people  call “folk metal” because there is a sense of something old here, and of course, this isn’t really metal.  

Not every song on the album carries this weight, but this song alone is worth the price of the whole thing.   It has just the right amount of darkness and morose passages to warrant a space in my collection.

Elderblood – Messiah

This is a black metal album that has a clean production, but that is not written to dissuade the gaylords who regard good-quality recordings as “commercial” – no, it is more an assurance that this album isn’t recorded stupidly.  It’s still gay, because it’s black metal, but at least there was some effort.  

This album has some elements that can lump it into the “sounds-like Dimmu-Borgir” category, namely the pseudo-symphonic parts.  There is also the raspy and throaty vocal delivery that doesn’t interest me at all, but as I made an attempt to hear something to break my apathy, I gazed upon the cover art, which I strongly suggest that you avoid.  The gayness meter immediately spike to the red.  Leave a comment if you wish, but this is where I stop.

SELCOUTH-Heart Is The Star Of Chaos

This is a strange album.  There are a few moments when the music bears a resemblance to something that is known,, but madness eventually prevails.  Does this description not paint a picture?  Well, hearing the music will make you equally unable to describe this album to someone else.  Perhaps it is better to render an opinion.  This album seems like a novelty at first, but the occasional operatic soprano, gothic crooning, and the fleeting familiar styles and musical ingredients make this border between creativity and psychosis, which I find highly stimulating.  No brutality resides here, and neither does the bragging of dexterity (playing intruments for show rather than for feeling) and jarring tempo changes that are sometimes the components of albums categorized as strange.  No – this is a bizarre experience worth the aural journey, and the writer’s inability to draw a comparison says it all – this is unique.

Mercyful Fate interview

Interview with King Diamond conducted by Bill Zebub for Issue #16 of THE GRIMOIRE OF EXALTED DEEDS MAGAZINE.

EDITOR’S INTRODUCTION:  I had run a contest for readers to make their version of the cover of the NUNS HAVE NO FUN EP, using photographs.  It was meant for humans to imitate the drawing on the album, but the winner actually used dolls.  This picture was later used for movie covers – twice, actually.


You’re aware of the contest for the front cover.
Yeah, I’m looking forward to seeing that.
I received some very strange photos. Some person (Damian Pring from Yardley, PA) depicted the Nuns Have No Fun cover with dolls. When I first looked at the pictures I was asking myself what sort of strange effect was on the photographs. Then I realized they were dolls.
That’s creepy, in a way, isn’t it?
It’s more creepy than a real life photo could be.
The King Diamond album The Graveyard has this lunatic in it. He’s killing off people and hanging their heads on the wall. He suddenly sees them as dolls.
There is an instrumental version of The Immigrant Song done by Mercyful Fate somewhere on this planet that you haven’t found yet.
I think either they threw the tape out or they went over it. I remember us trying it, and it didn’t work. It just would not sound right. So I doubt that it actually exists.
In those days they tried to save as much space on the reels as possible. It might have been an expense-cutting maneuver.
Yeah, and also, for the reissues Hank went into the studio where we recorded those albums and asked them for the master tapes. They said, “No, we sent them to Roadrunner”.  What? When? Then we spoke to Roadrunner, and they never received any tapes. So in between people they just disappeared. I do have some really old stuff. I told you about that before… that Black Rose stuff. Every time I play it I say, “God man, this sounds pretty fuckin’ cool”. Even though it’s a rehearsal recording, everything’s so clear. I joke with Brian Slagel. I say I have this thing that no one has ever heard. And he says, “Any time. Just say the word and i’ll release it.” 

You’re too much of a perfectionist for your fans, because there is a wealth of older stuff that you don’t want to officially sanction because of the drop outs and unstable recording levels.
You’re talking about the bootlegs.
Right. The song Nightmare, in its earlier stage…
The very first version was called Shadow Nights. Then it changed into Nightmare – the old version. Parts of that were mixed in with the Nightmare you hear on Don’t Break the Oath.
I have the recording of the concert with Shadow Nights, and that was when you yelled, “I hate disco!”
We were booked in a very wrong place. We were booked in a school, and it was the school’s last night. They thought they were getting a disco band. So there were ten people in the middle. The rest were boo-ing us, giving us the finger.
Truck Driver…
That was in a Michael Denner 3-piece band.
Danger Zone?
Yeah. That was when I was singing Mission: Destroy Aliens. It was written about this game where you shoot down these little things. You know what I’m talking about? Like an arcade game?
So it’s actually a song about a video game?
Yeah! That’s why it’s so horrible! I could not relate to it. What the hell was the other song? Of course, Truck Driver comes to mind. I almost refused. I asked, “Are you serious? You want me to sing this? Can I change some words?” I ride down the highway in my truck. I’m a truck driver. God! Where does that come from? You know? He’s never driven in a truck himself. Where would he get an idea like that?
I heard that Scandinavians have some sort of romantic notion of the cowboy subculture. And you are living in Texas…
(laughs) There you go. No, but serious, man… it was horrible. There was not 1% feeling behind it. It was a rock ‘n roll song first of all. It was not even metal. It was so not belonging anywhere.
The song Persecution came from that era too.
But that had feeling to it.
Well it was better than singing Truck Driver. So you might have gotten 25% out of me there.
I want to get back to the song A Dangerous Nightmare. Supposedly it came from a London performance. It has the catchy part of the version on Don’t Break the Oath.  Over it you sang the words “Eyes of Fire”. Does that ring a bell?
It might be something that John Kibble recorded, you know.
That’s where I got it.
Well, there you go. He didn’t tell us about everything that was going on. Believe me. We didn’t know about certain shirts that were sold. Then we saw one. What the hell was that? “Hello dude. What are you making on that?” Then he had to explain that it was just for promotion and no profit. Yeah, right.
I bought 7 cassettes from him for $40. But I am not accusing him, because if it weren’t for him, the world would never have these songs.
As long as people know these are bootlegs. That’s what bothers me. When some of it came out, also with him involved, it was presented as real albums. They even convinced some chains to carry the album. They (the F.B.I.) found the storage in London, and destroyed the whole shit. 5,000 or 10,000 copies were destroyed.

That’s quite a lot of copies.
He was selling to normal stores! I could go to Blockbuster and find it. You’re selling bootleg albums? “No, no. It’s from this record label here.” Three months after they destroyed it it was in the market again, but not in the shops though. It was presented as a genuine release, and that’s where you go really wrong. A person coming in for the first time, picking it up… “God, this really sucks!”

I actually heard that comment from someone who bought the Satan’s Nightmare bootleg album.
There was another one… Live From The Depths of Hell.

Yeah, that was the album that got me into Mercyful Fate. I’m sure you know the name Gene Khoury.
Oh yeah…
He played live Into the Coven on his radio show, and he’s kind of responsible for me knowing anything about real metal.
He’s one of the early guys.
Yeah. But the passion in your voice on that song (Into the Coven) was spellbinding.  On the song A Dangerous Nightmare, your voice is so powerful, and I think it would be such a novelty for it to be released in some official way. But I guess the person who has the master tape would be John Kibble.
I would imagine so.
I have not been able to track him down.
When you bought the tapes that long ago, did you buy them form a U.S. address?
I wrote to the fan club address on the back of the Melissa album. My letter was answered with a flier from England, and it listed a band bio as well as a menu of tapes, and I bought them all. But anyway, I tried to write him again because my tapes have degenerated over time, and I thought his would be the most pristine on earth. But what I now know, and it is quite a surprise to me, is that he has the master tapes to those live shows.
That’s because it was never intended to be recorded anywhere. He must have had a tape recorder set up somewhere without anybody knowing it.. just recording shit and then selling it. Suddenly these bootlegs appeared out of nowhere. Then when you track it down and start asking people where they got it… “Oh, John Kibble.”  What? He’s recording us? He’s supposed to work for us, but he records our stuff and releases them as bootlegs. Gee, that’s great. But I don’t know of a set from London recorded live. We played two shows back then in London… small clubs, while we were doing the B.B.C. sessions. He must have recorded one of those.
Yeah, the other two songs from that bootleg are a version of Satan’s Fall with different lyrics… instead of “I don’t need your god” you sing “Satan is better than god”.
Yeah, that’s right. That’s a super early version.
Then there was Nuns Have No Fun. There might have been a mike problem because the first verse wasn’t sung. But it’s so interesting for a fan. I can understand not wanting to have people listen to that stuff as a first-listen. But it’s extremely interesting.
Let’s say our fan club in Holland… if they had those things available for fans to buy through them, I wouldn’t care about that. But then, I know it’s a fan who already knows about the band, and it’s not going to be misunderstood. You know what I mean? If we had a good version of it and could mass produce it in a responsible way, then I’m sure that the record label wouldn’t bother if it was sold through the authorized fan club, because we don’t get any money – the fan club is run by some people in Holland who have been given the right to run the fan club. If they want to do something, they just have to ask us. They don’t have to account to us in any way.

Let’s talk about some of the changes in Mercyful Fate. I noticed you kind of dispensed the vibrato. Your voice does not waver so much anymore.
Oh it definitely does, Bill.  I remember making the songs on this last album, and it was so hard making the backing vocals vibrate the same way as I just did for the lead. I do it by feel, you know. I don’t think about it. I do it naturally. They say in the control room, “You’re vibrating a little off”. and I’m like, “Let me hear it again.” Then I’m like, “Ok, don’t think about it. Just sing it. Let it come by itself.” But there’s definitely vibrato still. Did you not listen to the new album?
I did, but I only got it today.
Oh ok, you’re excused. That’s a thing that, even if I wanted to, I couldn’t get rid of because I do it automatically.
Perhaps it is just a confusion of words. Perhaps I meant “operatic vocals”. There was such a heavy amount of sorrow in your voice in the early Mercyful Fate days.
You know what I think you’re talking about?  Vibrato will come in there to some degree no matter what I do, right?  You’re probably talking about the exaggerated vibrato.

Yes! The character singing that you invented in the King Diamond albums kind of loses the classical sound that the early Mercyful Fate albums had. The vocals seem more lively… more upbeat. In the past, you had a very dark way of singing. Did you notice the transition?
No… I can’t even relate to what you’re saying. Now I’m gonna go and listen to every album again.
It’s more like the color of the voice. You had such a tonal sadness.
Well, I was unhappy the day I sang the Melissa song. Now I’m so fucking happy all the time. But seriously, I have not noticed any difference. I think that it has a lot to do with what kind of music you’re presented with. It might be the tempo of the song. Melissa is a slow one. It depends on how much of that music there is to sing it to. It could also be the choruses of A Dangerous Meeting. It opens up for choirs because it’s so melodic… and it’s slow tempo. If you sang it straight, without vibrato, it sounds lame. I don’t think that any of what I’m doing today sounds lame or uninspired. But I am going to listen to the albums because you brought it up. I don’t take it as bad criticism. I always take it as good. I might be missing out on something here.
I will never ask you anything out of disrespect, or out of criticism.
I’m positively going to go back and listen to some of it because… you might have a point is what I am saying. I mean it, seriously. That’s how I started singing falsetto, you know. Some guy told me, “Hey, you should work more on that.” Yeah, I think I will do that.

king diamond
King Diamond


Malevolent Creation interview

Interview with Phil Fasciana conducted by Bill Zebub for the Grimoire of Exalted Deeds magazine.


EDITOR’S INTRODUCTION:  This was the second interview conducted with Phil Fasciana.  When I first interviewed him there was a fake story about how a huge amount of people returned an album to the record label with a swastika inside a circle and a slash (like the Ghostbusers circle, in case you don’t know what I am talking about).  I found out that only one person returned the album, and that person was white.

When I conducted that first interview with Phil, I formed the impression that he was an extremely cool person.  When we did the interview, it was as metal people who were having a lot of fun.  maybe the rest of the world acts as if reality takes place inside a corporate office environment with a Human Resources manager overlooking every word that is spoken, typed, or read, but metal people consider that to be toxic.

As brainwashing became more prevalent in education (students are taught WHAT to think instead of HOW to think) – some of the victims of this propaganda have brought fagginess to metal.  Some of these pseudo-melalhead people have blogs and fanzines – they react to interviews like this with gayness.  They have conducted witch-hunts and caused problems for this band.  My only suggestion is for them to listen to music that is more akin to their gay personalities, but then, there are a lot of faggy bands disguised as metal, and there are lots of faggy trends, including gay hairstyles and faggy facial piercings, that have infiltrated.  But make no mistake – these are detested by real metalheads.

This introduction should have prepared you for what you are about to read.  When I conducted this second interview with Phil, I was trying to do so in the fun way that we had done it before, but he had suffered some consequences for the jokes.  When we began this interview he couldn’t tell me because he knew that when I hit the “record” button, I print everything that was said.  But when we spoke conversationally he mentioned how surprised he was by some of the backlash.  I told him to relax because the reactions were fake, by fake people.  I understood REAl people and REAL reactions, and assured him that any sensible person can see the humor. Well, maybe it can take a few readings before the clues are noticed.

If you continue reading, please bear in mind that Phil Fasciana is a cool person.  If you see him at a show, buy him a beer and have a chat – you’ll be able to tell within seconds that he is a down-to-earth person.  Don’t let your brainwashing make you see things that aren’t there.



The golf field is known as a place of business deals.  When Malevolent was dropped from Roadrunner Records, is that how you wound up on Pavement?  You were golfing, and so was a faggy dude from Pavement.

Yep.  I beat Greg and Mark in a brutal match.  Not only did I beat them in golf, I beat them to death with my clubs until they offered to sign us. 


Do the proceeds of the new album go to the KKK?

No.  They’ll be going to the Phil Fasciano Golf Fund Program, so i can afford to golf every single day.


Why does the word “nigger” appear so often in your autographs?

My autographs?


I heard from a Floridian that you autographed the back of a 12-pack, and it said “Kill niggers” on it.

(laughs)  Well then that wasn’t me.  Someone just did that.  It wasn’t me.  Don’t start trying to get me into trouble.  All right?  I know I never did that.  It could’ve been someone else.  But I doubt that also. 


Would you like to share your opinion about the word “nigger”?

I really wouldn’t.  I don’t even want to get on that kind of subject.  You’re getting me in trouble.  I don’t have no problems with nobody anymore.


Anymore?  At one time you did, though.

No!  I’d rather not comment on anything.


Come on!  This magazine is not read by any politically-correct people.

Jason’s not in the band anymore.


Was Jason a nigger?

Yes, in the sense of the word.  Do you know what I mean?  If you look under the word in the dictionary, it says slacker.   We all know what a slacker is.  It doesn’t have anything to do with race.  Believe me, I know white people that are the worst people ever.


Ok, now we’re talking!  The old Phil whom I used to know, when Malevolent Creation was considered to be a brutal band, used to use the word “nigger” all the time.  What happened to that Phil?

I don’t know.  I don’t know where you knew this old Phil.  You’re still trying to get me in trouble.  I don’t know why you’re saying this.


Weren’t there some problems with the use of the word “nigger” on one of your albums?

Yeah, it was on the Eternal album.  It was the last word in the song.  It just said, “you fuckin’ nigger”.  We got all kinds of flack for it.  Everyone says that we’re a racist.  I can’t understand it because that is such a common word.  I can’t even believe that someone would freak out about it.  Whatever.  We’ve refrained from using it again.  Don’t look for it to pop up again any time soon.


But that’s almost like King Diamond omitting the word “Satan”.  He now knows that people understand the band, so that word isn’t going to turn anyone off.  So do you think that when you grow more secure in your fan base that you will use the word “nigger” again?

It ain’t comin’ back.  It was a mistake to do it in the beginning.  You better stop and get off this subject right now!


Would you allow me to ask another nigger question?  Just one more question?  (just silence)  Isn’t is silly how that particular sensitive issue can destroy a band?

It is.  Believe me, man, you wouldn’t believe how serious people take that until you go to a country like Germany.  You see people throwin’ shit and bottles at ya.  I can hear them wiz past my head.  It made me realize how stupid something like that really is.  But it’s definitely an offensive word to some people.


One day, when your balls grow back, i want to see a song called “Nigger, Nigger, Nigger, Nigger, Nigger, Nigger.” just to show the world that they’re silly.  It’s silly to take such great offense.

No!  It ain’t gonna happen!


So there won’t be a day when you are entirely fed up with everything and you don’t care what you have to lose?

Listen, I say that word enough.  You know what I mean?  And I say it to everybody.  I think it’s funny.  I pick up the phone and people go like, “Hey, what’s up, nigger!”  And I have to laugh.


It’s just so amazingly funny how much tension there is in your voice.

I know… so let’s stop this.


Why are the lyrics of your new album written in ebonics?

Because Brett’s…  You’re gettin’ me goin’ again!  No!  There’s no ebonics!  I’m pretty sure he’s the furthest from ebonics! 


Roadrunner has re-mastered your first two albums on gold CD’s.

They have?



All right, then you’re an asshole.


Is Malevolent Creation the official band of the Rainbow Coalition?

Are you talkin’ about that sticker that’s on the back of your car?  I’m surprised that you’re still alive, driving around with that thing on there. 


What did the rabbi say to the crippled Puerto Rican?



I was hoping you would be able to make a punchline for that.

Man, I can’t even think right now.  I have no idea.


Isn’t that a common Puerto Rican response?  “Hey spic, can you sweep that floor?”  “No, I can;t even think right now.”

You need help.  You must have a lot of spare time to think of this shit.


Malevolent Creation was supposed to transform into black metal, but after putting on corpse paint, your nose was a little too big.  There’s just too much attention on the nose.

I look too much like that Mortiis dude. 


Are there any other racial jokes on the album?

No, no racial jokes.  No racial slurs.  Most of the songs are pretty much about war.


Race war?

No…  here we go again.


Isn’t it true that you had problems at the Customs in Germany?  Bringing over some equipment?

Not that I remember.


But isn’t your guitar in the shape of a swastika?

That’s fuckin’ nuts!


Did you know that most people who have their genitals pierced have been molested as children?

Ah, no.  But I don’t think I’ll be mutilating my genital area.


Have you ever seen Dave Vincent’s genitals?



Interview with Oderus (Dave Brockie) conducted by Bill Zebub for issue #6 of “The Grimoire of Exalted Deeds” magazine.

I have heard that thou art proud of the musicianship on ‘Ragnarok.’
We’re proud of everything we do, of course, being self-lustering, self-involved, egocentric assholes. We love what we do. We do what we love. We do what we can. We can what we do. And this time we’ve really gone and gone and done it!

Oderus Urungus
Oderus Urungus

Were there different musicians on the “Scumdogs” album?
We’ve had some line-up changes, yes, in the sense that the slaves that used to support us have now been reduced to pulp.

Thou taketh people from the audience and then mutilate them on stage?
Yes, and they beg for us to do it.

And thou art from another planet?
Yes. Thank you. Yes.

When thou taketh a member from the audience, thou art abducting the person.
In a sense.

But what goes on at thy shows is different from what I have read of alien abductions.
There have been abductions that occurred beyond what GWAR would do in its own naughty way. At our shows gray aliens have visited. It’s rumored they will do so on this tour.

Yes, and they will core my anus.

Oderus Urungus
Oderus urungus

Ragnarok is an asteroid?
It is. It’s Doomsday Comet.

What role does it play?
Well, it plays a role in that it’s on a collision course to obliterate your planet, end your life, cease your evolution, and reduce this body unto dust. It will be colliding, scientists and top blunderers predict would be the downtown Los Angeles area somewhere around the end of the millennia, year 2,000. All the signs are pointing toward total devastation. We have here the end of the millennia. We have rock ‘n roll music. We have here nuclear bombs. And we have GWARI All the signs are there.

Thou art very eager to escape the earth.
It’s my fondest desire, yes.

Thy plan, last time, involved the world maggot. That did not proceed well.
We had a little bit of a problem, yes. Didn’t quite work out the way we thought it would. The only way I can possibly rationalize that Is by saying that there’s two world maggots. That was the wrong one. The other one will be coming out later. Now of course that doesn’t matter anymore because the comet is coming. So now we are poised to fall even more miserably than we did last year.

What is thy problem with censorship?
I would say it was more the other way around.

But thy cuttlefish was taken.
W ell yes, my penis was amputated. We got a lot of publicity out of that… probably the most frequently asked question. What if they cut off your penis in front of leering thousands at an A.T.F. rally?

The reason why I ask is, it is claimed that GWAR blows censorship out of proportion for It’s own popularity.
We never claimed anything. We just raped the pope, and then they cut off my penis. Censorship spensorship!

Oderus Urungus
Oderus Urungus

What is thy feeling about A.I.D.S. and its origins?
GWAR created it. I suppose I’ll have to take credit for it. This new disease we have is even better.

What is the new disease?
We don’t have a name for it yet. But you can get it just by looking at someone who has it. You get pimples all over that turn into boils that turn into warts, all within a matter of minutes. These bloat with rancid pus. It explodes. Stinking vapors belch out and giant carnivorous worms crawl out of the hole, eating you and then attacking your neighbors. Yes, you can even get it if the person who has it is on television.

Yes! We’re very proud of it . . . GWAR Laboratories, bringing it to you, to forge a new tomorrow.

What dost thou do to prevent breast cancer?
Chop them off, mount them, tickle them.

In the past thou hast had celebrities like Michael Jackson appear on stage. It was not very polite what was done to him.
I thought it was. We jacked him offl And then he blew his wad. And then we ripped his penis off. No. It wasn’t a real penis anyway.

But celebrities are not uncommon on thy tours.
Everyone wants to get their share of the limelight with GWAR.

Oderus Urungus
Oderus Urungus

Who might we see on this tour?
This year will be the worst yet. I don’t know quite who we’re going to have up there. There have been rumors of summoning the rotten corpse of Jerry Garcia.

That would be a realm thou hast not explored yet.
We’re very upset that he died before we could get our hands on him. We’re going to bring him back from the dead. He’s going to play an idiotic and meandering guitar solo and then we’re going to bash him in the head and rip him to bits.

When thou wert arrested and had thy cuttlefish taken, was Biff Buff present?
No, no. But I believe Cobb Knobbler was.

Is it true that thou hast smoked crack with the arresting officers?
Well no… Mexican quaaludes. We were doing gypinal that night.

Which state has done this to thee?
I think it was North Carolina. Terribly embarrassing. Please, can we change the subject?

I had to do a whole tour with a bloody stump.

Oderus Urungus
Oderus Urungus

Slymenstra Hymen once had her torch taken away from her and suffered a burn in the theft. Have other overzealous fans caused damage to GWAR?
No. I’d say it was definitely the other way around. Occasionally we have the bumbling idiot that might.get past security and thrash about on stage and grab a GWAR sword and try for the nearest exit. He is beaten mercilessly. Often I’ve had to pull the slaves off of people so I could have the honor of crushing their skulls.

Thou hast not changed much since thy early days, hast thou?
I’m committed to being the same. Every day I look in the mirror and I say, “Same! Same! Same!” It’s the shame of the same.

Is thy maker a god?
I’ve only seen his lips… his lips.and his sea of flame… the same lips that are on the credits on the Rocky Horror Picture Show.

Thy maker, did he also make gloves?
Gloves? Who the fuck is that?

Well, I was wondering… if before thy creation people discovered thy maker’s intentions and protested, bearing signs that read, “MAKE GLOVES, NOT GWAR!”
That would be humorous if it had happened. But it had not, except on a lost episode of Celebrity Christmas.

There is always something that thou art. . . “against,” for lack of a better word. What is the present situation of mankind that aggravates thee most?
What we don’t like about mankind is mankind. The fact that they exist is enough to set us off on a genocidal holocaust that will engulf your world.

Thou art an epicurean. Thou dost enjoy sexual acts of all sorts.
I’m a blistering nub of clitoral pleasure.

How dost thou feel, since thou hateth mankind, and thou detest human breeding, about the pope spreading his command that there should be no birth control?
I think the pope should spread his cheeks. let little boys of Harlem pump shells into his ass.

Is he the only religious figure whom thou art against?
I will be against every religious figure, ramming my penis deeply Into them.

But the pope Is the only one, so far, whom thou hast bent over?
Oh I’d fuck God If I could only get Christ’s penis!

Oderus Urungus
Oderus Urungus


interview with King Fowley conducted by the Neckless Troll for issue #9 of “The Grimoire of Exalted Deeds: magazine,

(Neckless Troll) Who do you think would win in a fight, Gordon Conrad or Cindy Brady?
I’ll go with Gordon.

(Neckless Troll) What about Gordon Conrad and Punky Brewster?
I’ll go with Punky. She’s got some big chest.

(Neckless Troll) Yeah, she’s hot now.
She’s got some big guns comin’ out now.

(Neckless Troll) I heard you were a vegetarian.
Huh? Totally untrue!

(Neckless Troll) Yeah, I found that hard to believe because you don’t get a body like yours stealing grapes. (editor’s note – Rob stole that insult from me)

I fuckin’ hate vegetarians. It’s cool not to eat meat if you hate the taste. But not to eat meat because you don’t want to hurt animals is fuckin’ ridiculous. We should hunt vegetarians.
Exactly. The whole world has always hunted the land to eat. Why, all of a sudden, is it a problem?

Is it true that when you were a younger kid, you had a love for ice cream sandwiches? There’s a rumor that, one day, an ice cream truck came rolling by, and you were completely hypnotized by the jingle of the truck, and you stampeded over a small boy and broke his legs to get to the truck.
Well, yeah. Definitely true. That’s where I got all my humor… from the Good Humor man. It wasn’t really ice cream sandwiches. It was more one of those rainbow push-up pops.

I heard that you punched a girl in the face because she took the last of the ice cream sandwiches.
No. I wish it were true, though. It was always those snow cones. But I stopped eating those fuckin’ things when I got stung by a fuckin’ bee one time. The fuckin’ thing came at me because of the shit… you know, the syrup is always all over your fuckin’ hands.

Do you still go into a feeding frenzy when you hear the ice cream truck coming? It’s just uncontrollable, huh? You just push everyone out of the fuckin’ way! 
You know, it’s weird that you said that because it’s kinda true. I play basketball down here at the courts, and the fuckin’ good humor man rolls up… I’m like, “Outta my fuckin’ way!!! Take the ball! Shove it up your ass! I’m gonna get me some ice cream!”

Do you have a preferred membership card?
I wish! I didn’t know they offered them. I don’t think I have enough credit to get one. So I’ll probably take one from somebody else.

( Editor’s note: The Neckless Troll was the fattest person in metal at the time of this interview, so it was off to see these questions coming from him) You seem to like foods that are high in fat. Aren’t you worried about clogging up your arteries? Dude, I can hear your cholesterol level rising.
Actually, to tell you the truth, I’m in pretty good goddamn shape for my age. I’m 29. But I’m a sports freak. I play basketball like 20 hours a week.

Are you part black?
No, no black. Actually, I’m the white-boy who can jump.

 Do you live in a predominantly “black” neighborhood?
On no. All white. That’s why my records are still here.

Deceased seems to be a pretty big band, no pun intended. Do you get a lot of chicks?
I can’t answer that, man.

(The Pot Calling the Kettle “fat”) I’m sure a lot of women go for that “Fruitpie the Magician” look.
Actually, yeah. I could if I wanted to. But I don’t. Well, I have a girlfriend, so… none of that for me. But actually, yeah. You’d be surprised what a personality can do for a man. It ain’t the looks. We all know that I’m a fat ugly jerk. But that’s all right.

 Is “King Fowley” your real name?
Yeah. Kingsly.

Did your parents name you that?
Yeah. My dad’s name was that.

Did they drink a lot of whiskey?
Actually, no one drinks in my family.

Crack, smack, or anything?


Why do you dislike Immolation?
I don’t dislike Immolation. I just get a bad vibe from them. They just don’t seem friendly.

Did they steal your ice cream sandwiches, or something?
No. they never did that. I get along with Ross just fine. And the new drummer seems pretty cool. The other guys just never talk. They’ve always been kinda like distant and kinda like uncool with us for some reason. I’ve never known why.

I remember I met you one time at the “Lion’s Den” You were highly praising Raven from ‘86. Why? the band is gay. They were even gay in their day. I don’t understand.
Fuckin’ Raven rules! They definitely went through a gay period. I’ll give ‘em that.

Remember that album, The Pack Is Back?
That’s a gay album. That’s about as gay as it gets.

I’m surprised Relapse didn’t sign them.
That’s not very nice to say. Wiped Out makes Macabre sound like fuckin’ dorks.

Do you have to be from Virginia to like that kind of music? Is there a lot of incest going on in Virginia?
I hope so.

How old were you when you kissed your cousin?
I don’t have any cousins.

I’m sure Virginia’s a nice place. I’m sure you live in a beautiful trailer park.
Actually, I don’t think there’s any trailer parks in Virginia. Maryland is where all the trailer park white trash is.

If you run into a room, wearing all purple, would someone shout, “Hey Kool Aid!”?
I hope so. Maybe they’ll stop calling me the undertaker from W.W.F.

Do you like the bands on Relapse?
No. Not at all.


Isn’t Relapse pretty politically correct?
They could be all they want. But Deceased is definitely not! We don’t stand for that shit at all!


Well, that’s the last question, unless you have something you want to add.
Yeah. Let’s do an interview sometime.

King Fowley
King Fowley

(Editor’s Postscript: The Neckless Troll was chosen to conduct the interview because he knew about the band, and Bill Zebub did not.  Looking back, it might have been a mistake.  The Neckless Troll had dripped out of school at the age of 15 in favor of working in a supermarket and hadn’t developed intellectually since that time.  He’d occasionally  make a funny statement or ask a funny question, but not enough to justify him being assigned to interview a band.

Bill Zebub met King Fowley at a horror convention after this issue was published.  It was a fun time, and King Fowley proved to be an ultra cool character).



Anal Cunt

Interview with Seth Putnam conducted by Bill Zebub for issue #10 of “The Grimoire of Exalted Deeds” magazine


This interview was conducted during a time when metal people were not brainwashed by the fascist politically correct agenda.  Metalheads were not afraid to say what they wanted to say, whether it was honest communication, or words that were meant to irritate.  Seth Putnam was a master of angering people.  It has never been confirmed if he was saying and doing things for shock, or if he actually meant what he said.  As with all interviews, bear in mind that the chat is with an entertainer who knows that he is being recorded for the purpose of being read by the public.  This was not a private conversation, although there are moments that can be considered to be abn aside here and there.  But at the time of this interview, Bill Zebub published every word that was said, even in some cases when people said “Don’t print this.”

Hopefully you will enjoy this legendary interview.  If you become angry, then it is because you chose to become angry.  Or your brainwashing has resulted in a reaction without thinking.  Please switch to a more stupid entertainment scene like rap or hardcore. 

What’s the matter? You don’t sound happy to talk to me.
I’m just totally drunk. Did you get the new album?

Yeah, I was mad that there was no song about the Grimoire in here.
I only write negative stuff, and the Grimoire is one of the few magazines that I like.

On stage, didst thou ever have the crowd perform a group Zieg Heil to thee?
Many times.

Wert thou in an SS uniform?
I wish I was.

I wish I was.

So how did that go over?
We’ve done songs by racist bands live a million times and it has always been well received by the crowd. Are you familiar with the band Vaginal Jesus?

Ain’t never.
I’ll send you a copy. Actually they’ve been around since like 1988. They make Screwdriver sound like the most unracist band ever. We do Vaginal Jesus covers a lot. You know how oi bands are racist bands… sort of like cover up things… Vaginal Jesus is completely blatant like, “I hate niggers” or “I hate jews.” So we do those covers a lot. People know that we’re friends with Vaginal Jesus, and when we do those songs everyone is totally psyched.

People say in the same breath that when they see thee Zieg Heil…

While thou art trying to make people Zieg Heil…
Can you talk in normal English? Can you talk in American? You can write it later in like gay pompous English.

No, I’ll do you a favor since I do it to Swedish assholes because they can’t understand me either. While you’re making people Zieg heil you…
We don’t make them do it. They just do it by themselves.

Are you sure?
Yeah. I don’t force anyone to do it. But when people do it I’m psyched. I don’t stop them from doing it. I’ll do it as an example and people will keep doing it, but I’m not against other people doing it and I’ve never frowned on other people doing it. Actually I encourage it and try to get them to do it some more.

There’s a cute cartoon of Hitler with a punk near him with a thumbs up, showing that he’s cool, and Hitler looks really proud that a young punk enjoys him.
On our new cd?

Yeah. People don’t understand this because they say to me, “Why does Seth make fun of jews when he is one himself?”
I’m not a jew. I’m half English and half Irish.

But they say that Putnam is highly jewish.
Actually Seth is kind of a jewish name. Putnam is kind of an old English name.

Funny you have an old English name but you can’t understand Olde English.
Because why would I care about that when it has nothing to do with that anymore?

Are you positive you’re not just trying to hide your jewish identity?
No! I’m not a fuckin’ jew!

Because that’s what jews do, you know.
No. I’m not a fuckin’ jew pretending that I’m Italian or something like that. I look like an Irish person.
Well you drink like an Irish person. You’re fulfilling that stereotype.
Basically I’m.. if you really want to know my ethnic background… I’m a quarter Irish and a Quarter English. My father’s side of the family was English and they came here in 1630. And my mother’s side of the family… there was a potato famine.

Are they Irish jews?
No. We all hate jews. My mother hates jews. My father hates jews. Well actually my father’s job is deporting people actually. I’m not even trying to be funny.

Do people cry when he tells them “Get out”?
He tells me all these hilarious stories like people pretending they can’t speak English and he goes, “Oh, I’m going to deport you” and they all of a sudden know how to speak English. Me and my father don’t get along that well, not because of those reasons but… but I think that it’s totally cool that he deports people and he volunteered to be in Vietnam and everyone was avoiding the draft. He re-enlisted like three times because he’s all into killing people.
I’m glad that I’m interviewing you because , out of all the bands I’ve interviewed, no one has ever produced as much mail as an Anal Cunt interview.
You promised me you’d send me magazines and you haven’t, you fuckin’ jew. What does it cost? Like fifty cents? You kike! I haven’t gotten a new Grimoire in a while, you raging jew! When people ask me how much racist I am I’m not gonna back down.

I enjoy the fact that you magically seem to find the worst thing to say.
I don’t know if I told you in person, but I think Grimoire is the only magazine worth reading since Kick Ass in the early ‘80’s. Every other fanzine is gay. Everyone cares about things. Anyone who cares about anything is fucking gay faggot. You know I’m married now?

You’re married?
I’ve been married for almost a year.

Do you treat her like shit?
She thinks about 99.9% about the same way that I do.

Really? So she believes that she should pay your way?
She’s a total fuckin’ cunt. She like hates everyone.

Do you use her credit card to finance your tours?
No because she doesn’t have one.

Is she as fat as you are?
She is basically a female version of me. Actually she’s not fat. This is a nonfat female version of me.

I heard that there’s this girl Kim G.who wanted to get all the tattoos that you have, or a tattoo of you, or something like that.
She got my name tattooed.

What did you do to her that made her so enamored of you?

Did she want to play keyboards for Anal Cunt?
I was going through this really bad period where I tried to fuck over girls really bad. We still get along on the phone and stuff like that. But she’s like totally in love with me. She got her name tattooed on my arm… on her arm.

She had her arm tattooed on her name?
No, she had her… my name tattooed on our arm. It’s so gay-looking. It’s the A.C. logo, it says “Seth” and a microphone with a mike cord coming off it. It’s really terrible-looking.

Now why would a racist like you go out with a gook?
Because I hated her.

Oh I get it.
Basically I was coming off this really long term relationship. I was going out with someone I really liked. And basically I just tried to like fuck over every girl on the planet because I was anti-woman.

Did she steal any of your equipment?
No. It’s like a regular guy thing… I tried to put my sensitive side… no, I went out with a girl for a couple of years and I was really pissed. I got all these girls to love me and then I just fucked them over.

Did she smell down there?
No, not really?

You don’t fulfill your husbandry duties?
My wife or the other girl?

The other girl.
She didn’t really smell bad. Actually Kim G. gives really good blowjobs, for any guys who…

I heard that you carried around a Lysol spray can and you always used to spray her groin just to publicly humiliate her.
That’s a good idea. I wish I did. I didn’t do it though. I haven’t seen her in like four years.

Your reputation precedes you. I guess that was just an Internet rumor. Any other rumors.
There’s so many I don’t even know about.

There was a guy in a wheelchair who came up to one of your shows, and his history is, he had leukemia…
(Seth starts laughing)

He beat it… but when he has a spinal tap it paralyzed him.
That’s funny.

He knows everything there is to know about Anal Cunt. I actually wanted him to do this interview, but I didn’t think it would have the same shock value.
You’re asking really boring questions, by the way. Especially with the new subject matter I expected… one thing I wanted to credit you on was the best interview you ever did was that Italian black metal band and asked what the difference is between a jewish nose… I was showing my wife this and like, this is the only good magazine. She thought it was the funniest thing ever because we hate jews. You can print that.

Well anyway, this guy in a wheelchair was talking to you. You were cool with him, he was cool with you. Then you got up on stage and made fun of him for being a cripple. You actually pointed him out and everything.
He’s a cripple. What am I gonna say? Oh, it’s really cool the way your pants fit. What else am I gonna say about him? Like, it’s great the way you can talk? You know? He’s a fuckin’ crip. You know that cover that we do of Elton John? I’m Still Standing? It’s goin’ out to that kid in the wheelchair. We’ve done that a million times for people who are crippled.

Did you get beaten up at that show?

Did you beat anyone up at that show?
What show?

That show.
Yeah, I had a fight with my drummer. I don’t even remember. I was so fuckin’ demolished. I had no fuckin’ idea what happened.

I first learned that your violence is not a character thing… it’s not fake like a pro wrestler. I remember we were at a bar. We arm wrestled. I beat you.
I couldn’t even speak. I was so fuckin’ out of it.

But the thing is, I beat you and then you punched me in the stomach full force. So I guess that’s not an act.
Dude, if I wasn’t like totally drunk I’d beat you.

Have you ever thought about going to therapy for your alcohol problem?
Why? Like, there’s no reason. I have a whole life of boredom. I’d rather have a whole life of being a fuck up than like going to AA meetings 7 days a week. Why bother? It’s gay. I’d rather like be arrested every day and be an asshole. I can take care of myself.

You left a path of destruction. One of the guys from Grief is toothless because of you.
That was funny. Actually the funny thing is, before that happened I was very good friends with him. he had… like his teeth were all fucked up and he was like, “I can’t even eat corn on the cobb. My teeth are all fucked up. I wish that I got fake teeth.” And then when I knocked out his teeth he started crying about it. What the fuck? What a pussy. He had the worst teeth. A guy from England couldn’t have had worst teeth than that guy.

Speaking of which, I think Lee Barret sold his record label because of his alcohol problem.
Who’s that?

The guy from Extreme Noise Terror who was on tour with you.
That guy is gay, man.

Is he highly gay or just a little bit gay?
He’s a run of the mill gay. How can anyone have an alcohol problem? Dude, I’ve been like a completely savage alcoholic for like ten thousand years and it doesn’t mean anything. It’s… like I’ve done every drug on the planet for months at a time.

You’re a garbage pail.
What’s that mean?

You do every drug there is.
Obviously. Do you have any? Do you know where I can get some coke right now?

No, but I know where you can get some insulin, though.
Man shut up.

Ever do that?

Everyone kind of hates you. But then there are people who really hate you. I want to know about those people.
Tell me who really hates me.

I want you to tell me.
Tell me.

Stop being gay. Tell me who really hates me.

Alright. Tell me who hates me. Stop being a jewish gay.

You know what I think would be great? If you me and some other assholes did a new fanzine.
Why don’t we do it then? I used to write for fanzines in the early ‘80’s. Why don’t we start our own fanzine then?

I was at a horror convention and King Fowley was there. First he made fun of me and wouldn’t let me get a word in edgewise, telling me how much my mag sucks and I’m a sellout and stuff like that and he was threatening to kick my ass and blah blah blah. But then he said that he should write for me because the people who write for me are lame. To prove it he started yelling in the hotel lobby, “I’m a nigger killer. I kill niggers!”
No he didn’t. He’s just a poser.

He did it.
No, he wouldn’t do that.

He did. I was there. Then I left to get him a Grimoire t-shirt because he’s cool.
How come I don’t have one?

What’s your size? XXXXL?
Is it black or white?

Ok… XL. Yeah right. You’re all blah blah blah. You never send me anything you fucking jew.

He’s a jew?
No… you.

Bagel Bub. Bagel Giant.

Well anyway, I went out, and when I came back and I guess some people confronted him about it and before I knew it, police led him away. I was just wondering what you thought of that.
About what?

About King Fowley being led away for threatening all the lives of black people in the hotel.
I wish he’d killed the black people.

What do you think of him on an asshole appreciation level?
All my encounters with King Fowley… he’s been really cool. I have nothing bad to say about him. I think his band sucks. But every time I’ve met him he’s been really cool.

Do you think that if we did a fanzine he’d be our equivalent in asshole level?
I don’t know. I meet him like once every six years. I think if me and you do a fuckin’ fanzine it would be, like, the worst! It would be beyond awful.

I wanted to do one a while ago with all the assholes I knew.
I hope I was involved in the assholes being picked for the project.

I don’t think I knew you back then. I knew of you. There was this guy Mike Campbell from Sepulchral Voice. He had a cartoon of Bobo the fag-bashing clown. Well, the asshole idea was for us all to be anonymous because we are pretty ballsy normally. just imagine what we would be like if we didn’t have to face people.
No. If I call someone a nigger or a jew or a faggot I want to have my name behind it.

Yeah, you’re not afraid of having an entire club come after you. When was the last time that happened?
Never. Every time I like challenge someone no one wants to do anything.

Can you name any popular dude who has a really big problem with you?
Not that I know of. But I hope Chris Barnes does, and then I want to fight him immediately. It’s an open invitation. Actually, that song “Chris Barnes is a Pussy” on the record is an open invitation for him to fight me any time he wants to.

The funny thing is, Metal Blade… when they had a really gay publicist… a supergay publicist called me to interview Six Feet Under because they paid of ran ad. Then I got a call on the day of the interview and the homo said that Chris Barnes refused to do the interview.
He’s a fuckin’ gay fag. That’s why.

Is it because he has dreadlocks?
It’s because he’s a gay homosexual faggot, and he’s also gay.

Is there any truth to the rumor that Eric Clapton is suing you?
We wrote a song originally called… what the fuck was it called. (Very long pause in which Seth kept screaming “fuck”) Basically it was about Eric Clapton’s kid committing suicide because he sucks. It’s something about that. It’s about his kid committing suicide because Eric Clapton is the worst song writer on the planet. I can’t remember the actual song title because I’m really drunk. Shit! What the fuck was it called? Eric Clapton… blah blah blah.

I was wondering if Eric Clapton actually threatened the label or is Dig a pussy?
It’s just the label worried that they would get sued. If he found out, Eric Clapton’s lawyers would cripple Earache so bad.

Like that guy who was at your show?
See, with “Easy E Got AIDS From Freddy Mercury” they’re worried about whoever owns the rights to them.

I don’t even know what that is. Easy E… is that a workout machine?
It’s some nigger from NWA. All the songs they thought they’d get in trouble for… they shortened the names.

Have you ever wondered how far the mercury rises in Freddy Mercury’s thermometer?
(Sarcastically) That’s funny.

Eric Clapton couldn’t possibly find out. What do you usually sell? Like 6,000 copies? Or is it more because it’s mandatory for every jew to have a copy?
I think the name of the song is “Eric Clapton’s Kid Committed Suicide Because His Father Sucks.” What was the question?

Getting back to you hiding your jewish identity…
I’m not a fuckin’ jew. I hate jews, and you can quote that.

Don’t jews try to mongrelize everybody. Aren’t you trying to mongrelize with the other fat dirtbags in death metal?
I’m not gonna deny being a fat slob. But I hate jews, and I have nothing to do with being jewish?

Isn’t that what jews said when German soldiers went into their houses and asked, “Are you a jew?”
That’s hilarious. I’m glad that happened. Did you hear the stories about me stealing stuff from concentration camps? I was at two concentration camps and I stole…

Were you trying to save a little bit of your ancestors?
Shut up you fuckin’ faggot! I stole some ash from the oven.

Was it your uncle’s ashes?
No! I’m not a fuckin’ hebe!

Are you sure?
No! You can quote me. I’m not a fuckin’ jew!

Do you have the hebe jebees?
Why do you think I’m a fuckin’ jew?

Everyone’s telling me that you are. I’m just trying to be nice.
Whoever says that I want to fight them.

It was that cripple. His name is Rob. He’s going to review your album.
I’m going to step on his face.

What is your most jewish feature, if you were a jew, though? Like, physically?
I don’t think I have one.

Isn’t there a manual on how to discover jews?
How about this… don’t you think that Mortiis looks like a jewish Vulcan?

Well, Mr. Spock… that actor.. what was his name?
 Leonard Lemoy.

Yeah… he’s jewish. As a matter of fact that live long and prosper thing is a jewish thing… that’s a jewish hand sign.
So are you a fuckin’ jew?

Me? Why? Did you hear that I was?
I’m not a fuckin’ jew either so shut the fuck up.

Unless someone forced a conversion on me. Hey, did you know that there’s a nigger Vulcan now?
I thought that Star Trek is so gay that I never really watch it. I think my wife’s friend’s father was outside my house and saying, “Voyager? What the fuck is this? There’s a fuckin’ nigger and a woman.. I’m getting tired of this! It’s so unrealistic!”

They’re trying to show that in this century niggers are not equal in intelligence to mankind, but like in the 25th century or wherever Star Trek is in gayland…
They’ll be all smart by then.

Yeah, they’re like Vulcans… you know… like superior.
Who cares?

Is there ever going to be a song called “Being Jewish is Gay”? Or would that offend your family?
Have you read the lyrics to “Being Ignorant is Awesome?”

Why don’t you read them? Do you have them?

Alright. Track 33. Let’s see what they have to say… “I like to laugh at retards. I like to laugh at cripples. I like to make fun of gays. I like to beat women. I like assuming black people stole something. I like assuming jews jerk off to photos of banks. I like assuming Chinese people can’t drive.” Wow! That’s pretty good!
It’s pretty obvious you didn’t brush up.

Yeah. I try not to know anything about the new album when I interview somebody.
Yeah, I was really hoping for all these curtive comments about racism. I was ready to back up my racism.

Isn’t there a song about Dig that Earache totally censored the lyrics of?
Body By Auswitz? It’s basically about a fat guy who can’t lose weight so he goes to a concentration camp. It looked like Dig.. a big fat balding fat fucking pig. You hoard calories like Dig hoards cash. He can’t have something so brutally honest about him on his own album. That’s the only gay thing he’s… I say stuff in some other song… like some woman-beating lyrics, and they were censored.

Isn’t it true that the only reason Anal Cunt is on Earache because jews stick together, and Dig, the grandfather jew, wanted you to have some sort of foot hold on music to mongrelize?
It has nothing to do with kikes.

Not that I know of. Dig is a raging jew. I don’t know. It has nothing to do with that.

Did you ever pinch a girl’s ass?
Dude, why don’t you ask me like another boring question?

I was just wondering if you ever pinched a girl’s ass.
Probably. Yeah.

Did you think it was a penny?
You’re like totally boring. Your fanzine is going way down the hill, I expected way better questions than this.

What do you think of stereotypical jews? Have you ever encountered one?
Obviously! They’re fucking, like, jews! I hate them and I don’t like anything about them. What the fuck? What are you trying to write about?

I just want to know.
Give me like the description.

If someone beat you up in such a humiliating manner where like the guy slammed you into the ground and you were on your stomach the whole time.. on the ground face-first as he’s pummeling your body and you were in a chokehold when bouncers broke it up, would you tell everyone afterward, even though there’s 20 witnesses, that you were the one who came out on top?

I guess you’re not a stereotypical jew. Is it easy to tell if a person is a jew by a flaw n their genes that makes them cross-eyed?
I know that a couple of them are fish-eyed. The eyes are totally bulging out. But I’m not really sure about the cross-eyed thing.

Do you think that a stereotypical jew is somebody who worked for relativity Records and then when they decided not to carry metal anymore and threw 10,000 cd’s in the dumpster…
Dude, you are asking me the most boring questions! You ask the most PC-ish questions, like “what if a guy maybe bought a bagel once with three mazza balls in his hands?” Dude, I’m like totally willing to be extremely racist and answer every question. I was like totally psyched for this interview until fuckin you’re acting like everyone else. I was totally ready to do a good interview and now you’re a totally faggot gay. You’re not interviewing some fuckin’ gay. You’re interviewing the worst person possible who’ll agree with anything you can think of. (pause) Do you have any drugs, by the way?

Yeah. Like, do you know how to get any?

Well you’re in the drug capital right now.
Do you know a place to get any, like right now?

Ask John Paris.
No, they don’t know anything.

Oh no, that’s sex change drugs. I’m sorry. How about Jorge? He’s like down.
No. Maybe ask Tom Pasquale.

Yeah. He’s a garbage pail too.
You don’t know a place to get any, do you?

Other than Pasquale? No. He’s like a dealer.
Alright. Let’s get this interview over. Stop asking gay questions. I’m still pissed, dude. I expected finally a good interview and you’re acting like fuckin’ a…

We’re getting there. I’m just feeling you out.
You’re asking questions for like a first grade magazine. I’m pissed.

I like when you have that gay voice. And I like when you do the falsetto thing, like in Gloves of Metal. Are you going to do more of that? I’m totally pretending that you’re actually an artist. Are you going to more of that?
It depends on how the songs go and if I think they need to have them in them. It depends what songs.

What do you think of bi-racial relationships?
Which ones?

I’m sorry. You had one with Kim Goss. How about with the dark folk.
I never had one of those.

Why not?
I hate niggers.

To the point where you won’t even smell one?
No. You can print that.

That will be big thing… niggers. When’s the last time you talked to Kim G. anyway?

I never talked to her.
Alright. Where did you hear that from?

I can’t reveal the dirt hounds.
Shut up you fag! i told you I hat niggers and let you print that in your magazine. That is like the most incriminating thing you’ve ever had in your magazine and you won’t give me an answer?

You’re the star. I’m just the interviewer.
Oh shut up you fag.

I don’t mean anything to the world.
Yes you do. Everyone’s waiting for you to fuckin’ get the worst out of everyone. Finally, I gave you a quote that no one’s ever given you. You can at least tell me who told you who that gook cunt…

No! If I reveal the dirt hounds then they’ll stop barking!
Ok. I won’t give you any more answers then. This is a fuckin’ gay interview.

I didn’t hear this from anybody, but… actually I did. The parental advisory stickers… I heard that you wanted to change them to “parental adversary”.
I had nothing to do with it.

Do you know who Reverend Al Sharpton is?
Yeah, some big fat nigger.

Doesn’t he look like Oprah?
I’m already familiar with what he looks like.

Let’s talk about some of your song titles because they in themselves are incredible… much more incredible than any question I can think of. Tell me what was going on when you wrote “I Became a Counselor So That I Could Tell Rape Victims They Asked For It”.
Because women are stupid cunts and I hate them and we thought it would be funny. We just played a show in like Syracuse and we did “Women: Nature’s Punching Bag” and they got all upset. So we wanted to do a song that was worse than that. We wrote that on the way home.

How about “I Sent Concentration Camp Footage To America’s Funniest Home Videos”?
We thought that was funny. I wish I did.

Why do you love the band Rancid so much? I don’t even know who they are.
Dude, we have an anti-Rancid song.

No you don’t. You glorify Rancid. I think the song glorifies them.
No it doesn’t. If you read the lyrics, it makes fun of them.

Ok, let’s read the lyrics. “Ska is gay. Reggae is gay. You’re fucking gay, and you’re not punk. You say you hate corporations but you were on NBC. London’s calling and it’s calling you gay.” So why are you judging who’s punk and who’s not punk? Are you a punk?
No, I don’t care about punk. I just don’t like Rancid.

“I Pushed Your Wife in Front of a Subway.”
That’s like a funny fantasy kind of a song.

“Extreme Noise Terror Are Afraid of Us” Is that because of Lee Barret?
No, it’s because we were supposed to go on tour with them and, once they found out we’re on the tour, they had us kicked off. They wouldn’t give us any explanation why they didn’t want us on the tour. We were supposed to tour Europe with them like two years ago. It was like, TNT, us, and EyeHateMonkey.

Is that like an anti-black band?
No… Iron Monkey… that total rip off of EyeHateGod. Once they found out we were on the tour, because I made fun of them so much, they didn’t want us on the tour so we got kicked off. They’re so popular that they used their popular-muscles I guess. So that was our reaction song to us getting kicked off the tour.

“I Sent a Thank You Card To the Guy Who Raped You.”
That’s just an idea that I thought was funny.

“I Lit Your Baby On Fire”.
Another idea I thought that was funny.

“I Intentionally Ran Over Your Dog”. “Women: Nature’s Punching Bag.”
We all hate women.

You hate women? Are you a male gogo dancer?

“I snuck a Retard Into A Sperm Bank”.
What about it?

Wouldn’t it be funny if you snuck a retard into a sperm whale?
Yeah, it would be funny.

“I Ate Your Horse”.
That song sucks.

“Hitler Was A Sensitive Man”.
It’s a true story. Read the lyrics.

You’ve compelled me to read the lyrics. “He went to art school when he was younger.”

“He wanted to be a painter. Hitler was a vegetarian. He was also a non smoker.” So what are you trying to say here about politically correct people?
I wrote a song about Hitler that’s all true so they can’t get mad at us. I wrote a song to piss everyone off, and they can’t get pissed off because everything wee wrote about is all true.

“He hired gay and handicapped officers. He was concerned about overpopulation. If Hitler were alive today he’d listen to The Cure, The Smiths, and Depeche Mode.” Dude, that is brilliant. You ever think about doing stand up comedy?
Yes. I thought about it for like 20 years.

You have to do it.
Read the lyrics. That’s my stand up comedy.

Dude, you have to do Anal Cunt Unplugged on MTV.
Those lyrics are basically stand up comedy.

“You Robbed A Sperm Bank Because You’re a Cum-Guzzling Fag”. Do you think that a fag could tell the difference between normal sperm and retard sperm?
They’re gay. They don’t know.

“I Made Your Kid Get AIDS SO You Could Watch It Die”. The lyrics have to be read. “A few years ago I snuck Freddy Mercury into your room. I gave him anesthesia so he wouldn’t remember getting raped. You spent your life savings putting your kid through college. Then he died of AIDS so you wasted your money for nothing. You thought your son was on a diet so you didn’t worry much. At the funeral I told you what happened and I laughed at you. I didn’t think you suffered enough so I shot your wife in front of you.” This is the issue that will end the Grimoire.
You sound like really held back. You’re not your usual self.

“Into the Oven”. Was that like Mercyful Fate’s “Into the Coven”?
No, that’s about Thanksgiving.

Do you think King Diamond’s cool?
I like three songs by him but I think his voice is gay and I hate Mercyful Fate. I like one song form the EP and two songs from the first album.

Are you going to do covers of them?

“I Gave MAMBLA Pictures of Your Kid”. “The Only Reason Why Men Talk To You Is Because They Want To Get Laid You Stupid Fuckin’ Cunts”. “I Made Fun Of You Because Your Kid Just Died.” “Domestic Violence Is Really Really Really Funny”. “Dictators Are Cool”. Who’s David Buskin?
That’s a really popular songwriter.

Do you sing in falsetto or a gay voice on that song?
Normal voice.

“You’re Pregnant So I Kicked You In the Stomach”. “Tim is Gay”.
That’s our old drummer.

You have a problem with drummers, don’t you?
What can you do?

“I Sold Your Dog to a Chinese Restaurant”. “AC/BT” Is that about Brutal Truth?
We’re just making fun of them like really badly.

Do you think Rich from Brutal Truth is highly gay?
He’s not gay. He’s a shitty drummer.

Do you think you can beat him up?
I get along with him. But I think Scott lewis is a thousand times better.

Did you ever arm wrestle with him?
No. I want to wrestle you like totally sober some day. I’ll totally beat you.

Yeah? Will you punch me afterwards anyway because it’s like the normal thing to do?
Ah sure. Right now? Like, where are you?

No, I’m not in a physical position to do things with you right now.
What time is it anyway?

Like 5:38.
Oh fuck! I’m going to miss the bus!

How about your last song… “I Got an Office Job For the Sole Purpose of Sexually Harassing Women”.
What about it?

I don’t think you need an office job just to do that.
That’s just for a song, you know? I mean, all the bands you fuckin’ write about… all like famously gay death metal things… they’re all like skinny 16-year-old kids singing about how they’re going to kill someone. they’re all a bunch of pussies anyway. Who’s gonna write about something they’re actually gonna do?

What kind of music do you listen to?
The only thing I really like is like pre ‘84-’85 hardcore and death metal, and pop music. bands like Hellhammer, Bathory, Sodom, Venom, and Village People, Culture Club and shit like that.

How long are you staying in New York?
Like an hour or two.

Wow. That’s so cute.
Aw. You wanna hang out for an hour or something? Do you have any drugs?

You want me to give you Tom Pasquale’s phone number?
I already have it. He hasn’t called me back.

That’s unusual. He’s usually calling everybody like 50 times in a minute. It’s like he has the Harassment Speed Dial.
Everyone hates him. No one wants to deal with him. This is the one time I actually tried to call him.

When He calls you and babbles for an hour…
(Imitating tom) “So anyway I was breathing oxygen today….”

How do you control the phone call with him?
I’ve avoided talking to him for like 2-3 years. He used to be really bad… (Imitating him again) “So I was putting really nice pants on today…. blah blah blah.”

Did he ever go to Norway and throw your name around just so he could hang out with bands?
Why would he?

I heard that Norwegians really respect Anal Cunt.

Where did you hear that?

You know not to ask that question.
You’re making shit up.

I guess he was throwing someone else’s name around, like Raychele.
I don’t care. I actually hope everyone hates us.

He might be another person to have in our asshole club, but he’s too…
Too industry insider, and if he’s friends with someone he won’t bag on them.

As opposed to you who enjoys badmouthing everything possible.
I’ll badmouth my best friend, dude. That guy’s a gay fag jew.

Did you and Tom ever share a hotel room?
No. He stayed at my house before.

He stayed at your house? Did he talk to your parents?
No. I don’t live with my parents.

Why not?
Because I’m not, like, ten.

You’re breaking the stereotype of a person of your particular personality. Everyone thought you lived at home.
I lived on my own for ten years.

Why? Did you call your mother a whore or something and she threw you out?
No. Because I have a job.

You didn’t kick her in the stomach when she was pregnant with your little sister?
I might have called her a cunt. I’m like 31. I’m not gonna live with my parents.
Did you write a song about her?
No, but I called everyone else a jew and a cunt.

If you were a jew, would you reveal it?
Yeah. I’m not a fuckin’ jew.


NOTE:  There was more to this interview that might be included in the future.  The printed magazine has it all.  If you do not have it, suffice it to say that Bill Zebub was successful in making Seth Putnam angry – so angry that he hung up the phone.

A bit of insider knowledge here – Earache Records had Seth come to the NY office to conduct phone interviews.  They intentionally bought him a bottle of whiskey to bring out the worst in him.

Bill Zebub was unable to determine if Seth really was angry, but at a later date, a fan of the Grimoire bought a stack of the magazine to a show.  Seth threw a bar stool at his head and demanded that he tell his master to come 

When Bill Zebub heard this, he called Seth to ask what the problem was.  Seth complained that Bill Zebub kept telling everyone that Seth Putnam is Jewish. Bill explained that it was bis writer, Rob Noxious, who thought that it would be funny to make that a question in all of his interviews (DId you know that Seth Putnam is gay?).

Seth told Bill that he thought that Rob Noxious was an alias.  Bill explained that there is no need for a fake name, and that Rob Noxious is the cripple who was referenced in the interview, who is a die=hard fan of Anal Cunt. Rob thought that Seth would find that funny.

After Seth heard this, he simply said, “Ok, everything is cool then.”

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